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The Dojo with Joel Tosi and Dion Stewart

Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson as they chat with Joel Tosi and Dion Stewart about Dojo’s.

Dojo’s are a six week immersive learning experience where teams learn and practice new ways of working on real work with skilled coaches. We discuss the structure and implementation of Dojos, chartering, coaching dynamics, and frequent feedback loops. We emphasize the challenges and anti-patterns that can emerge, such as treating Dojos as bootcamps or lacking stakeholder support. Finally, Joel and Dion offer insights into the future of Dojos and their potential for building capability and driving organisation change.

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Product Management with John Cutler

Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson as they discuss product management with John Cutler, famous for his newsletter The Beautiful Mess.

We dive into the purpose of product management as a driver of profitable growth. And we discuss how to use the north star framework to align your organisation around common goals. We examine how to use product roadmaps to communicate and prioritize plans and discuss how critical it is to be an open, honest, and effective leader. And finally we look at whether agile is critical or useless in product management. Join us as we uncover the insights and best practices product managers need to be more effective.

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UX Research with Nick Fine

Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson as they discuss UX research with Dr. Nick Fine. Nick explains what to expect from a UX researcher, how to do user research well, and the challenges that researchers have to overcome to obtain valid results. Whether you’re a product manager, designer, or developer this episode is packed with actionable insights, real world examples and expert tips to enhance your understanding of UX research and its role in creating high value, digital products and services.

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The Vanguard Method with Ibrar Hussain

Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson as they discuss the Vanguard method with Ibbi Hussain, one of the founding architects of this revolutionary approach to organisation change. Ibi describes how the Vanguard method uses systems thinking, service design, and occupational psychology to make profound improvements to call center performance. Join us as we navigate through the philosophy of change, the importance of leadership. And practical insights into implementing sustainable improvement within organisations.

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Episode 100 – A retrospective

Welcome to our 100th episode.

In this episode, we talk about what we’ve learnt from our guests about agile, product development and leadership. We discuss what the podcast is about and why we started it. We unpack our critical take on fake agile and discuss agile leadership and product development. Join us as we take a deep dive into the insights, experiences and conversations that have shaped our podcast ovr the last 99 episodes. And here’s to another hundred episodes of cutting through the nonsense and bringing you the advice you need to succeed.

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Business Agility with Evan Leybourn

Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson as they chat with Evan Leybourn from the Business Agility Institute about business agility. We discuss how to define and measure business agility, examples of agile organisations, and the struggle with traditional bureaucratic models. We delve into the different types of leadership, the nature of internal cultural and political changes, and the challenges faced by organisations in adopting and implementing agility.

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Innovation and disaster with Ron Westrum

Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson as they chat with Ron Westrum about how organisational culture drives innovation and disaster. We discuss generative, bureaucratic and pathological cultures, using real-world examples from NASA, Boeing and others. This episode highlights the importance of leadership integrity, openness, honesty, the free flow of information, and a mission-focused approach to achieving organisational goals. Listen for insights on identifying and promoting a generative culture, dealing with bad news, the role of technical maestros, and much more.

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Unmanaged with Jack Skeels

Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson as they chat with Jack Skeels about agile for digital and marketing agencies. Jack advocates for reducing the managerial overhead in organisations to promote productivity and improve communication. We discuss common hurdles in agile implementations. The value of a manager as a sports coach. The importance of scoping the work. Over managing and how real change must start from the top. This episode is full of practical advice and critical insights into organisation dynamics. This conversation is especially useful for those seeking to implement agile in a more holistic, efficient, and outcome oriented way in a service provider.

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OKR’s with Adrian Howard

Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson as they discuss objectives and key results with Adrian Howard.

Adrian explains how OKR’s can be used as a strategic instrument for aligning goals within your organisation.  We walk through common pitfalls and misconceptions emphasizing the importance of using OKR’s focused on outcomes rather than outputs. We discuss the potential for using OKR’s with vendors. The idea of paired metrics. And how OKR’s can serve as indicators of underlying problems within your organisations culture and structure.

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The Heart of Agile with Mike Leber

Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson as discuss business agility and the heart of agile with Mike Leber. 

We talk about how the heart of agile liberates you from rigid process frameworks by focusing on collaboration, delivery reflection and improvement.  We talk about how the agile industrial complex has turned agile into a heavyweight waterfall process.  And how innovation is happening outside the traditional agile bubble.  And lastly, we talk about agile leadership. If you’re interested in getting to the heart of agile and exploring business agility.

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The state of product management with Jason Knight

Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson as they chat with Jason Knight on the state of product management. 

Jason shares his insights and experiences on the responsibilities of a product manager, the evolving nature of the role. Differentiating buyer and user features the importance of testing and validating ideas. Supporting cross-functional teams and fostering a mindset of continuous improvement.  Jason shares insights from his experiences and discussions with thought leaders and provides advice for those navigating the product management field.

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Dysfunction Mapping with Michael Lloyd

Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson as they chat with Michael Lloyd about dysfunction mapping.

Whether you are new to the agile world or a seasoned professional, you’ll find valuable insights as we delve into understanding team dynamics, honing the coaching process. And the essential principle of iterative hypothesis testing. Join us as we learned the power of mapping dysfunctions to unveil powerful solutions in agile environments.

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Developing digital products in China with Bianca Grizhar

In this episode, we talk to Bianca Grizhar about developing digital products in China. We discuss the cultural differences between Germany and China, and how Scrum improved team collaboration. We talk about the benefits of working directly with people offshore in cross functional, cross organisational teams. Whether you’re a product manager or a developer, this episode is packed with practical advice that will help you work more successfully with your offshore teams.

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Mobius loop with Gabrielle Benefield

In this episode, we talked with with Gabrielle Benefield, the inventor of the Mobius loop, an outcome focused product development framework.  Gabrielle shares her journey in agile product development from Silicon valley to Yahoo.  And the importance of focusing on outcomes of outputs and improving decision speed. We discuss why organisations don’t focus on outcomes, the problem with contracts and scaling an outcome based approach. And finally, we talk about how you can use an experimental approach to bring an outcome driven, focus to your organisation.

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Sprint Goals with Maarten Dalmijn

In this episode, Murray Robinson chats with Maarten Dalmijn about Sprint Goals. We discuss how sprint goals should act as a primary mission for a sprint, around which everyone’s tasks should revolve, rather than focusing on individual deliverables. We talk about challenges to implementing this approach, the importance of measuring outcomes over output, and the need for competency and trust in the team. This conversation highlights the importance open dialogue with stakeholders, and the necessity of adaptability in the face of uncertainty.

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Tesla and SpaceX with Joe Justice

In this episode, we talked to Joe Justice about how Tesla and Space X have developed a new operating model based on self-organizing teams that continuously discover, deliver, and improve to achieve a thousand year goal. It’s like the most radical combination of open space agility, OKR’s, Continuous Discovery, Continuous Delivery and Continuous Improvement, you can think of. Whatever you think of Elon Musk, these companies are way ahead of most other companies and accelerating further. Tune in for a fascinating discussion about how Tesla and Space X work.

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Essence with Ivar Jacobson

Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson as they chat with Ivar Jacobson about Essence; a standard to develop patterns and pattern libraries that is being used by Scrum, SAFE, Lean and Kanban organisations. We discuss object oriented software engineering, use cases, UML, RUP, Essence and AI assisted method coaching. Join us to hear from one of the founders of the software engineering industry.

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The Art of Action with Stephen Bungay

Join Murray Robinson, Shane Gibson, and special guest Stephen Bungay to discuss how military principles like “Mission Command” can be applied to manage teams effectively in uncertain conditions.

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Recoding America with Jennifer Pahlka

Join hosts Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Jen Pahlka, founder of Code for America and author of "Recoding America". They discuss the current challenges faced by governments...

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Product thinking and user story mapping with Jeff Patton

Join hosts Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Jeff Patton, an advocate of agile and lean ways of working and author of the book “User Story Mapping.” In this episode, we focus on the concepts of product thinking and user story mapping.

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Working with executives with Peter Lam

Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson as they discuss the nuances of agile transformations with management consultant expert, Peter Lam. We delve deep into: 🔹 The value and effectiveness of...

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Modern Product Management with Pawel Huryn

Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson as they chat with Pawel Huryn about product management. What it is, and isn’t? How to motivate teams and what makes a product succeed. We discuss the difference between product management, which focuses on discovery and project management, which focuses on delivery. And how to do both at the same time in one empowered product team. We talk about how you can become a product manager and the best product management tools to use. Join us as we uncover valuable insights to help you succeed in this critical role.

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Scrum Anti Patterns with Stefan Wolpers

Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson as they chat with Stefan Wolpers about scrum anti-patterns. Explore common anti-patterns, such as scrum masters assigning tasks to disempowered teams, and...

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agile innovation

Join hosts Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson as they share their unique insights and experiences with startups, scale-ups, venture capitalists, and corporate innovation. In this episode: We delve...

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Mission command with Eric Lopez

Join hosts Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in an intriguing conversation with special guest Eric Lopez, a seasoned management consultant, CEO, and retired US Army Colonel who commanded troops in...

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Continuous discovery with Teresa Torres

Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson as they converse with special guest, Teresa Torres, a renowned product coach, speaker, and author of "Continuous Discovery Habits." In this episode: Torres...

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3 amigos

Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a discussion of the Three Amigos pattern, where a product person, a developer, and a tester work ahead of the team to define features before estimation.  We explore the benefits, challenges, and anti-patterns of the three Amigos approach, emphasising the importance of early preparation, collaboration and testable requirements.

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ProductOps with Anabela Cesario

Guests Anabela CesarioShane GibsonMurray RobinsonResources OutSystems B2B PM Academy   Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Anabela Cesário VP of product ops at...

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Adam Thomas – product survival metrics

Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Adam Thomas about Product Survival Metrics. Empower the product team to make decisions quickly in uncertain situations by negotiating...

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Bryan Finster – continuous delivery

Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Bryan Finster about Continuous Delivery and SAFe. Continuous delivery improves quality, productivity, value, and developers’ lives

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Simon Wardley – Wardley maps

Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Simon Wardley about Wardley maps. Wardely maps are a discussion tool that surfaces assumptions about competitive landscapes.

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Tony Ulwick – Outcome driven innovation

Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation about Outcome-Driven Innovation with Tony Ulwick. Most products fail in the market because they don’t meet customers’ needs better than the alternatives

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Debbie Levitt – UX design

Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation about UX design with Debbie Levitt. UX Design is research based information architecture and interaction design that requires deep expertise.

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Tom Gilb – Software metrics

Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation about Software Metrics with Tom Gilb. Tom Gilb inspired the authors of the Agile manifesto with his innovative incremental and scientific approach to Software Engineering. In this podcast we talk about Evo and Value Agile.

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Erik de Bos – Agile is a paradigm shift

Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation about Agile as a paradigm shift with Erik de Bos. Most organisations are slow moving bureaucracies defined by authoritarian hierarchies, rules and contracts. Agile is a completely new way of thinking and a new vocabulary which makes new concepts and information available.

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Team Skills vs Roles

Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation about effective agile product teams. Business people and technical people work together daily in one long-lasting customer-focused team. Roles vs Skills. The power of words. Do titles create hierarchy and functional silos within the team? T-shaped people. Should everyone be a developer? Are specialised roles useful? Specialists need to be on the team all the way through. Should people be paid the same and treated the same? Long-lasting product teams vs project teams. The best requirements, architecture and design come from self-managed teams. Servant leadership vs hierarchy. Teams have multiple leaders. One united product team across vendors and organisations.

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Bruce Taylor – Working with offshore teams

Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Bruce Taylor about working with offshore teams in developing countries. Why do people send their work offshore? Cost or talent? Is it cheaper to send work offshore or not?

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LeSS with Bas Vodde

Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Bas Vodde on LeSS. LeSS is true Scrum at Scale not just at the team level.

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Jurgen Appelo – Designing an agile organisation

Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Jurgen Appelo on how to design an organisation to support self management, continuous innovation and human experience. Jurgens unFix model supports gradual change, dynamic teams, and recognises that managers play an important role

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Product leaders with David Pereira

Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with David Pereira about Product Leaders. Successful Product Leaders don’t write requirements; they define the problem, set a goal and empower the team to get the job done.

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agile ux design with Jared Spool

Guests Jared SpoolShane GibsonMurray RobinsonResources https://leaders.centercentre.com/ Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Jared Spool about user experience design. We...

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The joy of agility with Joshua Kerievsky

Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Joshua Kerievsky about his new book “Joy of Agility”. In this podcast we talk about the poor state of agile today. Commodification, fake agile, dark scrum and water-scrum-fall. Real agility should be a joy to work in. Agility doesn’t mean process frameworks, it means moving with quick, easy grace and being quick, resourceful, and adaptable. Use mantras and stories to get the message across. Be quick but don’t hurry. Be poised to adapt. Be balanced and graceful.

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DevOps with Mirco Hering

Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with Mirco Hering where we dive into the world of DevOps. 

Join us as Mirco shares his insights on the essence of DevOps and its implementation challenges, from redefining DevOps beyond tools to the importance of feedback loops. Mirco sheds light on the goals and misconceptions surrounding DevOps. Discover how DevOps aligns with agile principles and explore the role of professional services firms in driving agile and DevOps transformations. Join us as we share practical advice for adopting DevOps practices effectively.

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Agile Military ideas with Ben Ford

Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation with former Royal Marine Commando Ben Ford about how agile practices mirror modern military practices in the field. We discuss John Boyd’s OODA loop and the value of an accurate model of one’s environment for good decision making. And we discuss mission command and the value of leadership training to develop an effective approach for orders, planning, delegation, and review.  We hope this episode provides food for thought on how you can utilise some of these military leadership principles to enhance your agile practices in the software product development world.

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Agile Product Development

Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation about Agile product development. discuss what a product is and what a product manager does.  We talk about the value of customer feedback and the need to test your hypotheses.  We define minimum viable products and discuss technical debt, scaling and co-designing products with customers.  And we talk about how you can move from a project to a product mentality and the value of applying an iterative approach to your marketing and sales

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Matrix team models aka the “spotify model”

Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation on the “Spotify Model” for scaling agile teams. We cover the role of leadership team structures. Tribe dynamics and the importance of coaching and support during organisational change.  We share our experience with implementing this model in organisations and some of the anti-patterns. Join us to learn how to use the Spotify model to scale your agile organisation successfully.

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Lean agile transformations with Matt Turner

Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a conversation about the psychology of change in lean agile transformation with Matt Turner.  We discuss how to implement agile and Kanban practices in IT operations, the challenges faced by managers, and the importance of visualising work and understanding flow. We also touch upon the misconceptions and misapplications of agile in the industry. Join us to learn how to be a much more effective change agent.

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Quality skills vs roles

Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson as they discuss why quality as a whole team’s responsibility. We discuss why it’s critical to integrate QA processes from the beginning, the importance of clear acceptance criteria, how to handle technical debt and the continuous improvement process. Tune in for an engaging and informative discussion on quality in your agile projects.

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Invitational agile with Michael Delamaza

In this episode we discuss invitational coaching with Michael Delemaza, the differences between coaching and mentoring and the challenges faced in transforming traditional organizations into agile ones. We also talk about the importance of clear communication and alignment at the executive level, as well as dealing with politics and resistance within organizations.

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Fixed Price Agile Contracts

In this podcast, Murray and Shane talk about why projects with fixed price, fixed scope contracts often go way over time and budget. We talk about uncertainty, sales incentives and underestimating. How fixed scope contracts lead to big design up front, siloed delivery, authoritarian management and conflict with suppliers. We discuss how to use an agile approach to solve these problems. We talk about testing suppliers by starting small and scaling up. And we talk about agile contracts where you engage a supplier to provide a fixed team for a fixed time and budget to achieve a goal with a variable scope.

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Scaling agile

Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a no-nonsense agile discussion. In this podcast, Murray and Shane discuss how to scale agile. We discuss the problems with a big bang top-down agile transformation and the benefits of starting small and experimenting to find a scaling approach that works for you. We talk about the factory model of organisation vs autonomous product teams. And we contrast agile change management with waterfall change management.

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agile projects

In this engaging episode, Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson dive into a spirited discussion on the compatibility of Agile and Project Management. Discussion highlights include: The Agile-Project...

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Evolutionary design & agile architecture

Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a no-nonsense agile discussion. In this podcast, we talk about evolutionary design and the problem with a narrow focus, planning at different time horizons, big blocks and small blocks and the importance of having flexible roadmaps that change as we learn. We also talk about centralised teams vs experts in teams, how the role of the coach is to build the team’s capability and how a coach should be a sports coach, not a therapist.

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Is scrum broken?

Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a no-nonsense agile discussion. In this podcast, we discuss Ron Jeffries’ recent article “Can scrum be fixed?” We talk about Ron’s concerns with the Scrum Industrial complex and Developers issues with Scrum. We talk about what we like and don’t like about Scrum and how the gaps we’ve experienced can be overcome.

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Agile initiation and planning

Join Murray Robinson and Shane Gibson in a no-nonsense agile discussion. In this podcast, we talk about our experience with planning agile initiatives. How to do just enough planning just in time. We discuss the team you need, user stories, UX concepts and technical architecture, how to develop a release plan and estimate time and cost in a 2 to 4-week timebox. We also talk about the common traps, pitfalls and bad patterns we see in planning agile initiatives.

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